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<div>This page is for discussion of the Main Page. For discussion of general policies, see [[WebOS Internals talk:Policies and guidelines]]<br />
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== Beta Main Page ==<br />
<br />
This isn't in use right now, but when It comes the time to swap out the main page again.<br />
<br />
[[Main_Page_beta]]<br />
[[Template:Page-main-beta]]<br />
<br />
== Article title capitalization ==<br />
<br />
Are we sure we want to use title case for article titles? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mos#Article_titles Wikipedia uses sentence case], and i think it looks much better.<br />
—[[User:X1011|X1011]] 06:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br><br />
Also, same question for section headings —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 12:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I think it usually works out good since a lot of pages are displayed as: <nowiki>[[Page Name]], also with the headers of course don't uppercase "a", "and", etc.</nowiki> --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
'''from #webos-internals:'''<br />
<source lang="text" enclose="div"><br />
Rick_: X1011, the pages-to-be-moved page on the new wiki uses the PAGE NAME as a link to create the page on the new wiki rather than the old page link from the old wiki.<br />
Rick_: In general _most_ of them are fine.<br />
Rick_: We prefer "Page About Smashing the Pre" to "Page about smashing the Pre" because it _is_ the title of the page, and so _should_ be in title case.<br />
Rick_: or that's the consensus of the team to date.<br />
</source><br />
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== Registration error warning ==<br />
<br />
Instead of having the warning about getting an error on confirming your registration on the main page, could an admin put it on the [http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup create account page]? —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 01:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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The Special:* namespace pages are not editable. -- Rod<br />
<br />
Maybe not inside the wiki editing system, but surely it's editable at some level. I think we should put user experience before "that's too hard to do". —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 23:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Agreed - I'll look into it. -- Rod<br />
<br />
==Front page mispelling and Description Addition==<br />
<br />
There's a mispelling on the top of the front page (I don't have rights to edit this page)<br />
<br />
"Thank you for heling us convert all the pages from the old wiki!"<br />
<br />
should be:<br />
<br />
"Thank you for hel'''p'''ing us convert all the pages from the old wiki!"<br />
<br />
<br />
Also, can you add something referencing "Kernels" in the development tools' description?<br />
<br />
-[[user:hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 05:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Added kernels to the list --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 19:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Protection ==<br />
<br />
Why is Main Page protected? It shouldn't be protected unless it is vandalised; see [[wikipedia:WP:NO-PREEMPT]]. As seen in the above section, regular people have useful contributions. —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 21:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I disagree. We're getting 20K page views a day. Let's keep the main page clean and functonal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
the main page has 14,428 total views to date. we shouldn't assume our users will make it dirty and unfunctional before we even give them a chance. Wikia has [[wikia:c:help:help:main page#What if I don't want visitors to edit my main page?|a good writeup]] on why the main page should not be protected.<br />
<br />
also, in the future, when you protect a page, please include a note explaining why you are doing so.<br />
<br />
—[[user:X1011|X1011]] 08:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
The main page is currently editable, was this intentional? [[User:Hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 07:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Yea, rick only set it to be protected till aug 1st while updates were going on. The idea was so that users wouldn't mess with it as the site was being setup / structured. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: The idea was that there was a gazillion links on the FRONT page of the old wiki. we wanted the front page of the new wiki to lead to DEPARTMENTS instead of having a zillion links on it. -- that's worked out now, and seems institutionally embedded so why not let the protection expire? [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 22:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
As many of seen the front page is no longer protected. The edit tab has been hidden, but editing can be easily done by "?title=Main_Page&action=edit". Hopefully this solved any disagreements people may have with the editing/protection of the main page. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 14:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
That can be simplified even more just by typing "?action=edit". -[[User:Hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 21:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Research/Reference Portal ==<br />
<br />
We need to add the Research/Reference portal to the front page. I recommend re-organizing the front page.<br />
<br />
I'd start with putting "Getting Started" on the top-middle by itself, then follow the diagram below:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
-------------Getting Started-------------<br />
Linux Apps---Source Patches---Dev Tools<br />
Research-------webOS Apps-----Hardware<br />
Recovery--------SDK Docs------Wiki Help<br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
We also need an icon for "Research", maybe put a lab suit over Tux with a doctor's mask. What do you think?<br />
<br />
I also agree with the post above regarding the unprotection of the front page (at least to autoconfirmed users). -hopspitfire<br />
<br />
yes, we need to add a box for the research portal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
As of today all of this has been done (including Tux in a lab coat). --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 15:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== featured article ==<br />
I think we need a "featured article" on the main page. Right now, that wuld be <br />
terminal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
the featured articles look great. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Article organization ==<br />
<br />
I noticed that there are a lot of manually maintained lists on this wiki. I'm not sure why the Category system is not being used, since it provides a better way to manage lists. A manually maintained list provides more information such as a summary, but a category is much easier to maintain and the users can browse a category page. Pages such as the [[Portal:webOS_Applications_All]] might be better as a category page. Actually, it looks like [[Special:Categories]] are rarely used. The category system could also compliment the current system as well.<br />
: Any problem if I start adding lots of pages into appropriate categories?<br />
<br />
Also, an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28infoboxes%29 infobox] on certain article types such as applications would help with origination. A script such as the one used on the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix Extension Matrix] might eventually be plausible in the future once infoboxes are more commonly used.<br />
: Can I create them?<br />
How zealous about organization is it ok to be?<br />
:[[User:Servel333|Servel333]] 18:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
i'm all for both ideas. i tried organizing this wiki at one point but i didn't have time to teach everyone how to properly use a wiki and was also meeting resistance. i never even bothered with the application pages because there were plans to make a proper repo site ([[Preware Design#Site]]). see also [[Talk:Portal:Patches to webOS#naming]] for my suggestions on organizing the patches. —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 22:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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When I have some free time I'll add pages to categories and see what issues come up. An infobox would even help with linking to an external repository, since most of the URL could be hidden by the infobox and if certain parts of the URL change, every single application page doesn't have to be updated for the links to work. Thanks. Hopefully, I can be of some help around here.<br />
:[[User:Servel333|Servel333]] 23:10, 8 December 2009 (UTC)</div>Servel333http://wiki.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=7747Talk:Main Page2009-12-08T19:00:14Z<p>Servel333: /* Article organization */</p>
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<div>This page is for discussion of the Main Page. For discussion of general policies, see [[WebOS Internals talk:Policies and guidelines]]<br />
<br />
== Beta Main Page ==<br />
<br />
This isn't in use right now, but when It comes the time to swap out the main page again.<br />
<br />
[[Main_Page_beta]]<br />
[[Template:Page-main-beta]]<br />
<br />
== Article title capitalization ==<br />
<br />
Are we sure we want to use title case for article titles? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mos#Article_titles Wikipedia uses sentence case], and i think it looks much better.<br />
—[[User:X1011|X1011]] 06:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br><br />
Also, same question for section headings —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 12:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I think it usually works out good since a lot of pages are displayed as: <nowiki>[[Page Name]], also with the headers of course don't uppercase "a", "and", etc.</nowiki> --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
'''from #webos-internals:'''<br />
<source lang="text" enclose="div"><br />
Rick_: X1011, the pages-to-be-moved page on the new wiki uses the PAGE NAME as a link to create the page on the new wiki rather than the old page link from the old wiki.<br />
Rick_: In general _most_ of them are fine.<br />
Rick_: We prefer "Page About Smashing the Pre" to "Page about smashing the Pre" because it _is_ the title of the page, and so _should_ be in title case.<br />
Rick_: or that's the consensus of the team to date.<br />
</source><br />
<br />
== Registration error warning ==<br />
<br />
Instead of having the warning about getting an error on confirming your registration on the main page, could an admin put it on the [http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup create account page]? —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 01:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
The Special:* namespace pages are not editable. -- Rod<br />
<br />
Maybe not inside the wiki editing system, but surely it's editable at some level. I think we should put user experience before "that's too hard to do". —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 23:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Agreed - I'll look into it. -- Rod<br />
<br />
==Front page mispelling and Description Addition==<br />
<br />
There's a mispelling on the top of the front page (I don't have rights to edit this page)<br />
<br />
"Thank you for heling us convert all the pages from the old wiki!"<br />
<br />
should be:<br />
<br />
"Thank you for hel'''p'''ing us convert all the pages from the old wiki!"<br />
<br />
<br />
Also, can you add something referencing "Kernels" in the development tools' description?<br />
<br />
-[[user:hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 05:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Added kernels to the list --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 19:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Protection ==<br />
<br />
Why is Main Page protected? It shouldn't be protected unless it is vandalised; see [[wikipedia:WP:NO-PREEMPT]]. As seen in the above section, regular people have useful contributions. —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 21:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I disagree. We're getting 20K page views a day. Let's keep the main page clean and functonal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
the main page has 14,428 total views to date. we shouldn't assume our users will make it dirty and unfunctional before we even give them a chance. Wikia has [[wikia:c:help:help:main page#What if I don't want visitors to edit my main page?|a good writeup]] on why the main page should not be protected.<br />
<br />
also, in the future, when you protect a page, please include a note explaining why you are doing so.<br />
<br />
—[[user:X1011|X1011]] 08:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
The main page is currently editable, was this intentional? [[User:Hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 07:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Yea, rick only set it to be protected till aug 1st while updates were going on. The idea was so that users wouldn't mess with it as the site was being setup / structured. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: The idea was that there was a gazillion links on the FRONT page of the old wiki. we wanted the front page of the new wiki to lead to DEPARTMENTS instead of having a zillion links on it. -- that's worked out now, and seems institutionally embedded so why not let the protection expire? [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 22:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
As many of seen the front page is no longer protected. The edit tab has been hidden, but editing can be easily done by "?title=Main_Page&action=edit". Hopefully this solved any disagreements people may have with the editing/protection of the main page. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 14:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
That can be simplified even more just by typing "?action=edit". -[[User:Hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 21:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Research/Reference Portal ==<br />
<br />
We need to add the Research/Reference portal to the front page. I recommend re-organizing the front page.<br />
<br />
I'd start with putting "Getting Started" on the top-middle by itself, then follow the diagram below:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
-------------Getting Started-------------<br />
Linux Apps---Source Patches---Dev Tools<br />
Research-------webOS Apps-----Hardware<br />
Recovery--------SDK Docs------Wiki Help<br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
We also need an icon for "Research", maybe put a lab suit over Tux with a doctor's mask. What do you think?<br />
<br />
I also agree with the post above regarding the unprotection of the front page (at least to autoconfirmed users). -hopspitfire<br />
<br />
yes, we need to add a box for the research portal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
As of today all of this has been done (including Tux in a lab coat). --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 15:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== featured article ==<br />
I think we need a "featured article" on the main page. Right now, that wuld be <br />
terminal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
the featured articles look great. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Article organization ==<br />
<br />
I noticed that there are a lot of manually maintained lists on this wiki. I'm not sure why the Category system is not being used, since it provides a better way to manage lists. A manually maintained list provides more information such as a summary, but a category is much easier to maintain and the users can browse a category page. Pages such as the [[Portal:webOS_Applications_All]] might be better as a category page. Actually, it looks like [[Special:Categories]] are rarely used. The category system could also compliment the current system as well.<br />
: Any problem if I start adding lots of pages into appropriate categories?<br />
<br />
Also, an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28infoboxes%29 infobox] on certain article types such as applications would help with origination. A script such as the one used on the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix Extension Matrix] might eventually be plausible in the future once infoboxes are more commonly used.<br />
: Can I create them?<br />
How zealous about organization is it ok to be?<br />
:[[User:Servel333|Servel333]] 18:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)</div>Servel333http://wiki.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=7746Talk:Main Page2009-12-08T18:59:32Z<p>Servel333: New section: Article organization</p>
<hr />
<div>This page is for discussion of the Main Page. For discussion of general policies, see [[WebOS Internals talk:Policies and guidelines]]<br />
<br />
== Beta Main Page ==<br />
<br />
This isn't in use right now, but when It comes the time to swap out the main page again.<br />
<br />
[[Main_Page_beta]]<br />
[[Template:Page-main-beta]]<br />
<br />
== Article title capitalization ==<br />
<br />
Are we sure we want to use title case for article titles? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mos#Article_titles Wikipedia uses sentence case], and i think it looks much better.<br />
—[[User:X1011|X1011]] 06:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br><br />
Also, same question for section headings —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 12:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I think it usually works out good since a lot of pages are displayed as: <nowiki>[[Page Name]], also with the headers of course don't uppercase "a", "and", etc.</nowiki> --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
'''from #webos-internals:'''<br />
<source lang="text" enclose="div"><br />
Rick_: X1011, the pages-to-be-moved page on the new wiki uses the PAGE NAME as a link to create the page on the new wiki rather than the old page link from the old wiki.<br />
Rick_: In general _most_ of them are fine.<br />
Rick_: We prefer "Page About Smashing the Pre" to "Page about smashing the Pre" because it _is_ the title of the page, and so _should_ be in title case.<br />
Rick_: or that's the consensus of the team to date.<br />
</source><br />
<br />
== Registration error warning ==<br />
<br />
Instead of having the warning about getting an error on confirming your registration on the main page, could an admin put it on the [http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup create account page]? —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 01:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
The Special:* namespace pages are not editable. -- Rod<br />
<br />
Maybe not inside the wiki editing system, but surely it's editable at some level. I think we should put user experience before "that's too hard to do". —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 23:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Agreed - I'll look into it. -- Rod<br />
<br />
==Front page mispelling and Description Addition==<br />
<br />
There's a mispelling on the top of the front page (I don't have rights to edit this page)<br />
<br />
"Thank you for heling us convert all the pages from the old wiki!"<br />
<br />
should be:<br />
<br />
"Thank you for hel'''p'''ing us convert all the pages from the old wiki!"<br />
<br />
<br />
Also, can you add something referencing "Kernels" in the development tools' description?<br />
<br />
-[[user:hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 05:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Added kernels to the list --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 19:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Protection ==<br />
<br />
Why is Main Page protected? It shouldn't be protected unless it is vandalised; see [[wikipedia:WP:NO-PREEMPT]]. As seen in the above section, regular people have useful contributions. —[[user:X1011|X1011]] 21:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I disagree. We're getting 20K page views a day. Let's keep the main page clean and functonal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
the main page has 14,428 total views to date. we shouldn't assume our users will make it dirty and unfunctional before we even give them a chance. Wikia has [[wikia:c:help:help:main page#What if I don't want visitors to edit my main page?|a good writeup]] on why the main page should not be protected.<br />
<br />
also, in the future, when you protect a page, please include a note explaining why you are doing so.<br />
<br />
—[[user:X1011|X1011]] 08:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
The main page is currently editable, was this intentional? [[User:Hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 07:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Yea, rick only set it to be protected till aug 1st while updates were going on. The idea was so that users wouldn't mess with it as the site was being setup / structured. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 22:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: The idea was that there was a gazillion links on the FRONT page of the old wiki. we wanted the front page of the new wiki to lead to DEPARTMENTS instead of having a zillion links on it. -- that's worked out now, and seems institutionally embedded so why not let the protection expire? [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 22:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
As many of seen the front page is no longer protected. The edit tab has been hidden, but editing can be easily done by "?title=Main_Page&action=edit". Hopefully this solved any disagreements people may have with the editing/protection of the main page. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 14:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
That can be simplified even more just by typing "?action=edit". -[[User:Hopspitfire|hopspitfire]] 21:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Research/Reference Portal ==<br />
<br />
We need to add the Research/Reference portal to the front page. I recommend re-organizing the front page.<br />
<br />
I'd start with putting "Getting Started" on the top-middle by itself, then follow the diagram below:<br />
<br />
<pre><nowiki><br />
-------------Getting Started-------------<br />
Linux Apps---Source Patches---Dev Tools<br />
Research-------webOS Apps-----Hardware<br />
Recovery--------SDK Docs------Wiki Help<br />
</nowiki></pre><br />
<br />
We also need an icon for "Research", maybe put a lab suit over Tux with a doctor's mask. What do you think?<br />
<br />
I also agree with the post above regarding the unprotection of the front page (at least to autoconfirmed users). -hopspitfire<br />
<br />
yes, we need to add a box for the research portal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
As of today all of this has been done (including Tux in a lab coat). --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 15:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== featured article ==<br />
I think we need a "featured article" on the main page. Right now, that wuld be <br />
terminal. [[User:Rboatright|rboatright]] 02:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
the featured articles look great. --[[User:Templarian|Templarian]] 13:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Article organization ==<br />
<br />
I noticed that there are a lot of manually maintained lists on this wiki. I'm not sure why the Category system is not being used, since it provides a better way to manage lists. A manually maintained list provides more information such as a summary, but a category is much easier to maintain and the users can browse a category page. Pages such as the [[Portal:webOS_Applications_All]] might be better as a category page. Actually, it looks like [[Special:Categories]] are rarely used.<br />
: Any problem if I start adding lots of pages into appropriate categories?<br />
<br />
Also, an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28infoboxes%29 infobox] on certain article types such as applications would help with origination. A script such as the one used on the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_Matrix Extension Matrix] might eventually be plausible in the future once infoboxes are more commonly used.<br />
: Can I create them?<br />
How zealous about organization is it ok to be?<br />
:[[User:Servel333|Servel333]] 18:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)</div>Servel333http://wiki.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Help:Templates&diff=7745Help:Templates2009-12-08T18:57:21Z<p>Servel333: Moved from Category:Template to Category:Templates</p>
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<div>{{PD Help Page}}<br />
If you have standard texts you want to include on several pages, the MediaWiki template feature comes into play.<br />
<br />
==Creation==<br />
Templates are standard wiki pages whose content is designed to be [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transclusion transcluded] (embedded) inside other pages. Templates follow a convention that the name is prefixed with "<code>Template:</code>", assigning it to that namespace. Therefore you can [[Help:Starting a new page|create them like any other wiki page]].<br />
<br />
==Usage==<br />
Templates are wiki pages which can be used in other pages in three ways:<br />
<br />
*<code><nowiki>{{Name}}</nowiki></code> 'transcludes' (i.e. includes a copy of) the content of the template (stored in the page <nowiki>[[Template:Name]]</nowiki>) whenever the page containing the template transclusion is fetched and displayed; i.e. if the template is later changed, the displayed transcluding page will automatically change too<br />
*<code><nowiki>{{subst:Name}}</nowiki></code> replaces that string with the contents of the template, in the source of the transcluding page, when you save that page; the copy of the template contents can then be edited normally (and separately from the original in the template page). '''''Note''''': don't use this if you are looking to continually propagate changes from the source template to the page(s) that references it.<br />
*<code><nowiki>{{msgnw:Name}}</nowiki></code> includes the template in a form that displays it as raw wiki syntax (the way <code><nowiki>&lt;nowiki&gt;</nowiki></code> does) when the page containing it is fetched<br />
<br />
In fact, an ordinary wiki page can also be used as a template, simply by specifying the namespace it resides in, so:<br />
<br />
*<code><nowiki>{{Template:Pagename}}</nowiki></code> includes <code><nowiki>[[Template:Pagename]]</nowiki></code><br />
*<code><nowiki>{{Foo:Pagename}}</nowiki></code> includes <code><nowiki>[[Foo:Pagename]]</nowiki></code><br />
*<code><nowiki>{{:Pagename}}</nowiki></code> includes <code><nowiki>[[Pagename]]</nowiki></code><br />
<br />
If no such namespace exists, the full title is assumed to be a template:<br />
<br />
*<code><nowiki>{{Foo:Bar}}</nowiki></code> includes <code><nowiki>[[Template:Foo:Bar]]</nowiki></code><br />
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===Parameters===<br />
<div style="float:right; margin:8px;"><br />
{| {{Prettytable}} <br />
|-<br />
|{{Hl2}} colspan="2" align="center" |'''Template with numbered parameters''' <br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" |<br />
<pre><nowiki> <br />
'''A little thank you...'''<br /><br />
<small>for {{{1}}}.<br /><br />
hugs, {{{2}}}</small><br />
</nowiki></pre> <br />
|-<br />
|{{Hl2}}|'''You type''' <br />
|{{Hl2}}|'''You get'''<br />
|-<br />
|<code><nowiki>{{Thankyou|all your hard work|Joe}}</nowiki></code><br />
|<br />
{{Thankyou|all your hard work|Joe}}<br />
|-<br />
|{{Hl2}} colspan="2" align="center" |'''with named parameters''' <br />
|-<br />
| colspan="2" |<br />
<pre><nowiki> <br />
'''A little thank you...'''<br /><br />
<small>for {{{reason}}}.<br /><br />
hugs, {{{signature}}}</small><br />
</nowiki></pre> <br />
|-<br />
|{{Hl2}}|'''You type''' <br />
|{{Hl2}}|'''You get'''<br />
|-<br />
|<pre><nowiki>{{Thankyou<br />
|reason=all your hard work<br />
|signature=Joe}}</nowiki></pre><br />
|<br />
{{Thankyou|all your hard work|Joe}}<br />
|}<br />
</div><br />
You can define parameters in templates either numbered as <code><nowiki>{{{1}}}</nowiki></code> or named <code><nowiki>{{{param}}}</nowiki></code>. <br />
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'''Example:''' You want a little thank you note you can put on the talk page of other users. It will contain a reason and your signature. You could create [[Template:Thankyou]] to enter your text, as in the example in the table.<br />
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When using the template on a page, you fill in the parameter values, separated by a pipe char (|): <code><nowiki>{{Thankyou|all your hard work|Joe}}</nowiki></code>. For named parameters use "name=value" pairs separated by a pipe char: <code><nowiki>{{Thankyou|reason=all your hard work|signature=Joe}}</nowiki></code>. The advantage of using named parameters in your template is that they are flexible in order. It also makes the template easier to understand if you have many parameters. If you want to change the order of numbered parameters, you have to mention them explicitly: <code><nowiki>{{Thankyou|2=Joe|1=all your hard work}}</nowiki></code>.<br />
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You can also provide default values for parameters, i.e. values that are going to be used if no value is provided for a parameter. For example, <code><nowiki>{{{reason|all your hard work}}}</nowiki></code> would result in ''"all your hard work"'' if no value was provided for the parameter <tt>reason</tt>.<br />
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===Control template inclusion===<br />
You can control template inclusion by the use of <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code> and<br />
<code><nowiki><includeonly></nowiki></code> tags.<br />
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Anything between <code><nowiki><noinclude></nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki></noinclude></nowiki></code> will be processed and<br />
displayed only when the template's page is being viewed directly.<br />
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Possible applications are:<br />
* Categorising templates<br />
* Interlanguage links to similar templates in other languages<br />
* Explanatory text about how to use the template<br />
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The converse is <code><nowiki><includeonly></nowiki></code>. Text between <code><nowiki><includeonly></nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki></includeonly></nowiki></code> will be processed and displayed only when the page is being included. The obvious application is to add all pages containing a given template to a [[Help:Categories|category]], without putting the template itself into that category.<br />
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'''Note:''' when you change the categories applied by a template, the categorization of the pages that use that template may not be updated until some time later: this is handled by the {{mediawiki|Manual:Job queue|job queue}}.<br />
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===Organizing templates===<br />
For templates to be effective users need to find them and be able to use them. A simple technique is to include an example on the template page.<br />
For example:<br />
<div style="display:table; width:auto;"><pre><br />
<noinclude><br />
== Usage ==<br />
Allows to establish a link to a subject:<br />
<nowiki>{{NameOfTemplate|Term1+Term2+Term3}}</nowiki><br />
</noinclude><br />
</pre></div><br />
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Then, an editor can simply copy and paste the example to create a similar page.<br />
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==Copying from one wiki to another==<br />
Templates often require [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:CSS CSS] or other templates, so users frequently have trouble copying templates from one wiki to another. The steps below should work for most templates:<br />
# Copy the template text to the new wiki, either by [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Import importing] or with a link in the edit summary to the original page (for attribution).<br />
# Look for CSS classes (like class="foobar") in the template text. If those classes appear in "MediaWiki:Common.css" or "MediaWiki:Monobook.css" on the original wiki, copy them to "MediaWiki:Common.css" on the new wiki.<br />
# Look for templates (like <nowiki>{{foobar}}</nowiki>) inside the template text, and copy those templates to the new wiki.<br />
# If the template uses [[Help:Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions]], you must install the {{mediawiki|Extension:ParserFunctions|ParserFunctions extension}}.<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Help:External searches]] – a template special use case example<br />
*[[Help:Magic words]] – fancy stuff you may find in some templates<br />
*[[Help:Parser functions in templates]]<br />
*{{meta|Help:Template}}<br />
*{{meta|Help:Embed page}} – embedding pages from [[Help:namespaces|namespaces]] other than <code>Template:</code>.<br />
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